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Posted By: Hal Brown
Date Posted: Nov 18, 2008
Description: One of two Gooses {geese} operated by PenAir in Alaska. Pacific costal Airlines...Vancouver British Columbia...just lost it's second Goose in 4 months. The crash on the weekend is attributed to poor weather, flew into a mountain top. Five killed and one survivor.
Date Taken: Nov 18, 2008
Place Taken: Vancouver Island
Owner: VR Newspaper
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Bruno Grondin - Nov 19,2008   Viewers  | Reply
    Here is the link for this 2nd misfortune crash.<br /><a href="http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article.jsp?content=20081117_085018_18880">http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article.jsp?content=20081<br>117_085018_18880</a><br />     
  
Don Maxwell - Nov 19,2008   Viewers  | Reply
    Bad about the PenAir Goose. It would be nice to know what went wrong.<br /><br />I'd forgotten that Goose pilots have to worry about the float position, as well as the wheels. Makes SeaRey flying seem almost ordinary.     
  
Dave Edward - Nov 20,2008   Viewers  | Reply
    Don...this was the pic in the newspaper article. Pen Air didn't have the accident but they are considering grounding their two Goose due to operating costs.     
  
John Robert Dunlop - Nov 20,2008   Viewers  | Reply
    Very low altitude (couple of hundred above sea level.) <br />Full power, good climb speed.<br />Poor visibility, rugged coast. <br />(I wonder what happened?)     
  
Chris Vernon-Jarvis - Nov 20,2008   Viewers  | Reply
    IF it is the apparently obvious then Coastal have a severe embarrassment on their hands.<br /><br />Interesting comment in one of the Vancouver papers here:<br /><br />' A spokesman for Tran Can said the plane, which had taken off from YVR, was flying on special VFR and so would have been permitted to fly in conditions that were not normally acceptable.<br /><br />Now I have not flown anywhere near anything resembling a control Zone, except on a designated low level VFR route, since I started flying again six years ago so I have not really been keeping up with these things but I am under the impression that Special VFR Flight is flight under VFR rules within a control zone normally reserved for IFR equipped airplanes flying under ATC control. Planes flying under Special VFR are required to maintain conditions for VFR flight. It does not imply that VFR equipped aircraft may fly in IFR conditions.<br /><br />The Goose was said to have only 'Rudimentary instruments,' ie, Not IFR equipped. (Though I find that a little surprising as Coastal Air are quite a substantial company with, I think, about 25 aircraft.) Either way if I was flying around the Sound regularly I would at the very minimum be using a decent Garmin moving map for information purposes and would therefore hope to miss any islands.<br /><br />We have had a couple of bad years out here. Much of the flying is fairly high risk, eg Logging camps, construction crews in remote locations with poor survivability after engine failure but even so the bad news seems to be far too frequent.     
  
Dave Edward - Nov 21,2008   Viewers  | Reply
    Good posting Chris.<br />It sure looks like a classic...CFIT....what a bloody shame.     
  
Fred Glasbergen - Nov 22,2008   Viewers  | Reply
    All indications are that your so right, The hight of the island is only about 500 feet and hit about 100 feet from the top. Another float plane turned around at Gower point about 10 minutes from the site because of poor visibility. The Goose was apparently trying to turned around in Halfmoon Bay either trying to find welcome passage or doing a 180. It would have been so much easier just to land on the water do the 180 or wait for better weather. I have had to do that many times flying on the BC coast in my time.     
  
Mike Dupont - Nov 23,2008   Viewers  | Reply
    Advertisement<br /><br /><br /><br />Sec. 91.157 - Special VFR weather minimums.<br /><br />(a) Except as provided in appendix D, section 3, of this part, special VFR operations may be conducted under the weather minimums and requirements of this section, instead of those contained in &#167;91.155, below 10,000 feet MSL within the airspace contained by the upward extension of the lateral boundaries of the controlled airspace designated to the surface for an airport. <br /><br />(b) Special VFR operations may only be conducted -- <br /><br />(1) With an ATC clearance; <br /><br />(2) Clear of clouds; <br /><br />(3) Except for helicopters, when flight visibility is at least 1 statute mile; and <br /><br />(4) Except for helicopters, between sunrise and sunset (or in Alaska, when the sun is 6 degrees or more below the horizon) unless -- <br /><br /> The person being granted the ATC clearance meets the applicable requirements for instrument flight under part 61 of this chapter; and <br /><br />(ii) The aircraft is equipped as required in &#167;91.205(d). <br /><br />(c) No person may take off or land an aircraft (other than a helicopter) under special VFR -- <br /><br />(1) Unless ground visibility is at least 1 statute mile; or <br /><br />(2) If ground visibility is not reported, unless flight visibility is at least 1 statute mile. For the purposes of this paragraph, the term flight visibility includes the visibility from the cockpit of an aircraft in takeoff position if: <br /><br /> The flight is conducted under this part 91; and <br /><br />(ii) The airport at which the aircraft is located is a satellite airport that does not have weather reporting capabilities. <br /><br />(d) The determination of visibility by a pilot in accordance with paragraph (c)(2) of this section is not an official weather report or an official ground visibility report. <br /><br />[Amdt. 91-235, 58 FR 51968, Oct. 5, 1993, as amended by Amdt. 91-247, 60 FR 66874, Dec. 27, 1995; Amdt. 91-262, 65 FR 16116, Mar. 24, 2000] <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Previous: Sec. 91.155 - Basic VFR weather minimums.<br />Next: Sec. 91.159 - VFR cruising altitude or flight level. <br /><br /><br />     


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