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Posted By:
Hal Brown
Date Posted:
Sep 20, 2010
Description:
Then we had some flying fun--4.1 hours of it. (This is actually from the next day, because my camera settings were screwed up on Saturday.)
Date Taken:
Sep 20, 2010
Place Taken:
New Joisey (PA?)
Owner:
Don Maxwell
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Don Maxwell - Sep 20,2010
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Here's a link to a video of landing on Eric's lake in the Poconos. It's surrounded by trees on hills with antennas on top, so it looks very, very small from the air. Down on the water, however, the little lake turns out to seem quite commodious to a SeaRey.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsEvnMxwKIs">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsEvnMxwKIs</a>
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Don Maxwell - Sep 20,2010
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Here's a tidbit for Dan Nickens: 'Fairview Lake is a small lake located in Tafton, Pennsylvania. Resting next to Route 390 the lake is home to one of the most distinctive land forms in the state. Running through the middle of this waterway is a ridge over which the water is only three to five feet deep.' ( <a href="http://wapedia.mobi/en/Fairview_Lake_%28Pennsylvania%29">http://wapedia.mobi/en/Fairview_Lake_%28Pennsylvania%29</a> )
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Dan Nickens - Sep 21,2010
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An increase of 38% in boat damage? Ha! It's still deep enough for a SeaRey, eh?
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Eric Batterman - Sep 21,2010
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Don, never saw that before. 38%? Says who? Only day trippers hit the ledge, everyone else knows where it is.
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Dennis Vogan - Sep 22,2010
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Thanks for hte great video Don. I was sitting at the computer, lifting my legs up while watching that approach!
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Dave Lima - Sep 21,2010
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Nice landing Professor...any fish in the lake?
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Frank A. Carr - Sep 21,2010
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Good video Don, alas it raises more questions:<br /><br />1. What is a good length for the yaw string? (Mine is 6' <br />but yours seems <br />longer)<br /><br />2. Is there a good tip/ technique for assessing the <br />adequacy of the size of a <br />lake for SeaRey ops from the air?<br />
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Don Maxwell - Sep 21,2010
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Ohhhh! Fortunately, those are splashing and dashing questions, not technical ones.<br /><br />1. Mine is shorter than yours, Frank. I think it's probably about 3' or 4'--short enough so it doesn't flutter much. It's useless when really wet, but it's a great conversation-starter. I had a long, soulful conversation with two women at KPTW who asked about it. 'What's that piece of yarn for?' We talked about natural and synthetic yarns, colorfast dyes, and so on, and I probably learned a lot.<br /><br />2. You mean besides the index of sphincter muscle tone? I don't know, and I'm no expert. You can tell the size by flying over it at, say, 60 knots while counting seconds. At 60 knots you're going one nautical mile a minute, so 30 seconds means it's 3000 feet. But then you have to factor in the slope of the surrounding land, tree height, wind direction and speed, aircraft weight, density altitude--all of that stuff--and then your own personal limits.<br /><br />The first time I had a go at landing on Eric's lake was with Carol and baggage for a two week trip. And the wind was across the short dimension of the lake. It looked okay, but didn't feel right, and after three passes I gave up and headed for Cherry Ridge airport. That's when the gascolator clogged up and later, after declaring an emergency and landing on the big lake next door, we found that one prop blade had a big crack in it. That story is here on SnD somewhere. This time I was solo, had no baggage, the wind direction was perfect, and the airplane felt good, so it was easy. <br /><br />This particular lake is about 3500 feet across in the direction I landed. The approach went efficiently, but because of the hills and trees I didn't touch down until probably 500-700 feet from the approach shoreline. There was plenty of lake remaining for a splash-and-go. I could have stopped much sooner, but decided (a bit late) to do a step turn and head back to the downwind shore.<br /><br />If landing across the short dimension, there'd be nearly 3000 feet of water, but the approach would be steeper because of the terrain. That's enough to land, but maybe not enough to go around easily without making a circular climbout. Having landed there once, I wouldn't hesitate to land the short way unless the water was glassy.
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Frank A. Carr - Sep 22,2010
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Thanks Don, I guess the counting seconds is somewhat better than TLAR.
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Don Maxwell - Sep 22,2010
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Frank, it's even easier to find the dimensions with Google Earth (but not as much fun). You can also tilt Google Earth to get some sense of the terrain from the side. Once you know the actual size of the lake you can compare it with land runways you've landed on. If you're comfortable landing on, say, 2000 feet of grass or pavement, then you know that much water should be okay, too. But of course you have to factor in the tree height and the hills. (SeaRey's sink rate is helpful there.)<br /><br />That's assuming you can see where the surface is. If the water is glassy, then it's all different. If the water at Eric's lake had been glassy that day I probably wouldn't have tried to land. Now that I know in my bones that it's plenty big enough for the airplane, I might try a glassy-water landing by keeping right up close to the shoreline, where there'd be a better chance of guessing height. Maybe. A glassy landing can eat up miles of water if you don't get everything just right.
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