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Kenneth Leonard - Aug 09,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Once in a long while, your kid opens up and gives you the chance to turn them on to learning. My 12 year old son and I struck a deal tonight that he would complete a merit badge each month for the next two years and in return I'd give him my time for hands on education to include his pilot's license. We will start off with him building an RC airplane. I have zero knowledge or experience with it. I figure any money spent will be cheap education. Any advice appreciated. All I can presume is that we will spring for a good radio controller and a relatively cheap first airplane to learn on (crash a lot) and then as his skills grow, he can build better models. He will be helping me re-cover my Searey wings and I hope to start ordering parts for that this weekend.     
  
John Stevens - Aug 09,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Make sure you get a radio with a trainer cord and have a r/c instructor do the first flights and train you.It only takes a few hours to get the hang of it.Most aircraft pilots think it is easy and try to solo an r/c.This lasts about 15 seconds.     
  
Dan Nickens - Aug 09,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    I know nothing about R/C flying, Ken, but Ol'Colonel Grumpy, an R/C guy from way back, advocates use of simulator software. Cheap and easy to fix after crashing ('reset').     
  
Charles Pickett - Aug 10,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    I agree with Dan I have seen Frank fly models that he designed and did first flight      Attachments:  

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Mark Alan MacKinnon - Aug 10,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    The RC simulator suggestion is a good one. You can pick from a wide variety of fields, wind, RC planes, etc. The most important experience you can gain with one besides taking off and landing, is getting used to controlling the plane both going away and coming towards you, requiring 'reverse control' thinking. Crash the plane and just restart. Plus they're a ton of fun. An RC hobby shop near here has a simulator set up, and often there's a crowd around it.<br /><br />I have a small electric slow-flying RC model. I highly recommend one of these for him as his first flying trainer. It was assembled in minutes and has taken a surprising amount of punishment. It's a pusher and actually looks a bit like my Stingray. The pusher design saves the prop and motor from nose smacks. The cost including radio was about $100. Charge the batteries and go.     
  
Kenneth Leonard - Aug 10,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Mark - what is the model of that pusher - sounds like a good first one, then build the second from the ribs up.     
  
Mark Alan MacKinnon - Aug 11,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Mine is called a SkyFly, has long dihedralled wings, 2-axis control (no ailerons), tricycle gear, slow and easy to fly. Now I see they've come out with a SkyFly Max, with shorter wings without dihedral, 3-axis control, tail-dragger, and by the video looks to be a much faster snappier plane. So I'm not sure about it being a good trainer or not now.      Attachments:  

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Eric Batterman - Aug 09,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Ken, All good advice so far. An alternative is something like:<br /><br /><a href="http://parkzone.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdId=PKZ3000">http://parkzone.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdId=PKZ3000</a><br /><br />Taught my then 9 yr old to fly it in 5 minutes (3 channel throttle, elev, rudder). I've been flying RC for years and a little park flyer can get you up and running with the basics while you build something more interesting. Also, join the AMA (Academy of Model Aeronautics) for around $40 per year. Great magazine and $1,000,000 of liability insurance included!<br /><br /><a href="http://www.modelaircraft.org/">http://www.modelaircraft.org/</a>     
  
Frank A. Carr - Aug 09,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Ken, After you master the basics as Eric suggests, for the <br />next step as you are looking for<br />something more interesting you <br />might consider one of these.      Attachments:  

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Troy iRMT Heavy Maint. Enriquez - Aug 10,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    well Frank, Ken did say 'any money spent' but, ken to get into jets and your looking at <br />10,20 , 30,thousand dollars (american) oh! yeah even more. :0. I have flown r/c for many <br />years. the best jet is the one your buddies have and you watch them. ) and just like the <br />movies they do burn when they crash.     
  
Kenneth Leonard - Aug 10,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    The RC stuff is a means to an end, it's about the boy learning and staying excited about learning, so no jets for me. Once he learns from the RC stuff, hopefully, we can move on to other categories of learning.     
  
Frank A. Carr - Aug 10,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Ken, the Jet photo was supposed to be a tongue-in-check JOKE! The best deal is <br />almost any father-son project, he can't help but learn by hanging around with his <br />Dad. Have fun--they grow old too soon.     
  
Kenneth Leonard - Aug 10,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    I was 95% sure you were joking. We'll see if we're still on track in a month. It'll take self discipline on both our parts...not something I'm very good at.     
  
Troy iRMT Heavy Maint. Enriquez - Aug 10,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    get the new foamie planes. they crash very well, fly very well and only cost about 20 or 30 <br />bucks. once you have your electronics about 150 to 200 in the plane and about 250 for <br />radio your good to go. everything in the plane is reusable, except for prop. they break. 2 to <br />3 bucks for props     
  
Don Maxwell - Aug 11,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Right, Ken. Of course, the hard part for Dad is to stay out of the way while the kid does the stuff--especially the fun stuff--and makes mistakes and breaks things. (I never built a model airplane that I didn't destroy later, just for the fun of that, too.)     
  
Greg Burtner - Aug 11,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    RealFlight simulator is great, althogh it costs about as much as an r/c airplane, around $200. Before getting into seaplanes, I used to fly all sorts of scale models when i was a kid. I hadn't flown for a couple years, and a family friend wanted me to help him fly a plane he just bought. It was a foam electric trainer called an Apprentice. It flew very nice and is perfect for beginners. Comes with everything you need to start flying for about $300, including a VERY nice radio. Here is a link to a website. Good Luck!!<br /><br /><a href="http://www.rc-airplane-world.com/e-flite-apprentice.html">http://www.rc-airplane-world.com/e-flite-apprentice.html</a>     
  
John McLeroy - Aug 11,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Ken, I've had a saying for years about flying R/C...You build 'em, you fly 'em, you crash 'em and repeat as necessary...     
  
Kenneth Leonard - Aug 11,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Looks like Kenny and I are going to the EAA TIG welding class over the Aug 28-29 weekend. I still need to sign up but good skills for us both and I may buy a welder out of it too. Anyone else interested? <a href="http://www.sportair.com/workshops/TIG%20Welding.html#TopOfPage">http://www.sportair.com/workshops/TIG%20Welding.html#TopOfPa<br>ge</a><br /><br />Sue doesn't know it yet, but I'm hoping this leads to Kenny building a plane. How many applications to engineering schools built and fly their own plane and are Eagle Scouts? (and have FUN with dad doing it!)     
  
Dennis Vogan - Aug 12,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Ken, not quite sure what kind of RC model you're thinking of, but I can tell you I've never had to tig-weld any!!     
  
Kenneth Leonard - Aug 12,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    You can't tig weld balsa?     
  
Tom Binsfeld - Aug 12,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    You need to take take the six day course for those skills. $999.99, cash in advance! I have an address for you to send it to in Cali , (Near Iowa).     
  
Mike Purinton - Aug 13,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Ken<br /><br /> It just so happens that I have a RealFlight R/C sim sitting around that I can't use <br />anymore because I've switched to a apple computer. Give me a call and I'll stick it in <br />the mail .<br /><br />Mike Purinton <br />903 786-3840     
  
Kenneth Leonard - Aug 14,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Very generous Mike! I left a message on your phone. Address is:<br />Ken Leonard<br />10523 Lake Williams Dr<br />Odessa, FL 33556<br />Actually, if you would address it to Ken Leonard Jr - that's my son and he'll be the one using it most.     
  
Charlie Gray - Aug 14,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Been awhile since I've posted......<br />I have owned / operated a RC Hobby shop here in the NW since 2003 when I retired from Boeing. Dan stopped by once on one of his 'flyabouts'........ Frank is a great source of RC (or any) flying info.<br />check out the store now Dan.....<br /><a href="http://nwnitrorchobbies.com/">http://nwnitrorchobbies.com</a><br /><br />     
  
Troy iRMT Heavy Maint. Enriquez - Aug 15,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Ken, I have a JR radio and a trainer cord. I would be happy to 'co-pilot' for you and your <br />son. If you want a safety pilot. I can fly fixed wing and Heli's.     
  
Kenneth Leonard - Aug 15,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Thanks Troy, we'd be happy to have you visit here or maybe we can fly the Rey out to you if there are fields for the RC there. We flew some this AM with only moderate repairs needed. He learned quite a bit.     
  
Troy iRMT Heavy Maint. Enriquez - Aug 16,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    any time Ken, Lemme now what I can to help. When I first got started in R/C about 20 <br />years ago there was not a soul around to help me. I did alot of crashing before I got 'it'.     
  
Wade Holt - Aug 16,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    I fly RC planes too. I would strogly suggest the Real Flight flight simulator. Flies like the real thing and cost a whole lot less when the ground rises up and smites your plane. Graves RC by lake Fairview has a great selection.     
  
Walt Bates - Aug 16,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    The old-timers can sit in a chair with a transmitter in one hand and a beer in the other. Early on, though, I stood and always faced the way the plane was pointing, even when I had to look back over my shoulder. It made aileron and rudder use more intuitive.     
  
Mike Purinton - Aug 17,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Ken's Real Flight sim is in the mail. Anyone have more memory for his computer :-}     
  
Kenneth Leonard - Aug 18,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Mike - we got the box in the mail yesterday afternoon. Thanks very much! Kenny has to <br />complete the merit badge he's working on before he can play with it but that will be this <br />morning so he'll fire it up this afternoon.     
  
Tom Binsfeld - Aug 19,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Ken, thanks for being a good dad and having your kids earn the fun stuff. It doesn't happen enough these days. We all benefit from children with a good sense of value, thanks.     
  
Dave Lima - Aug 19,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Ken, what is a merit badge? It is something like boy scouts?     
  
Kenneth Leonard - Aug 19,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Dave - yup. The merit badges are earned by studying a given subject (aviation, knot tying, electronics, communications...) So to earn Eagle Scout, you have to have studied many subjects and it does tend to both broaden the kids exposure to various things and it also gets them into the habit of self-education and tying learning &amp; work to promotion. Each rank requires a few more merit badges. Also builds self-esteem as they progress. He spent an hour crashing his video RC airplane this am and it cost me nothing. He's getting more proficient but still can't land it. (neither can I)     
  
Mike Purinton - Aug 18,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Ken<br /><br /> Enjoy <br /><br />Mike     
  
Steve Kessinger - Aug 22,2010   Viewers  | Reply
    Hi Ken,<br /><br />Take some time and get lost at <a href="http://www.rcgroups.com/">www.rcgroups.com</a>, there's even a section for seaplanes (though the section is called 'waterplanes', ugh).<br /><br />You'll really be surprised at how far electric planes have come, I don't fly glo-power anymore at all. You'll get to miss the fun of messing with engines and coming home smelling like nitro, there's a lot to be said for not leaning over the engine while starting and just plugging in a battery and going flying. <br /><br />When you make the jump in and are ready to buy a separate radio, invest in a good 2.4 ghz unit. I've got both a Futaba and a JR and it's a toss up for which one you should go with.<br /><br />And I agree with Eric about joining the AMA and Parkzone airplanes. <br /><br /><br />Steve<br /> <br />      Attachments:  

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