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Helen Woods - Nov 07   Viewers  | Reply

Any details?

Ted Krensavage - Nov 07   Viewers  | Reply
    Tampa times icon crash
Ted Krensavage
Don Maxwell - Nov 08   Viewers  | Reply
    (There's still) Better coverage on STS: http://searey.us/sts/?News&p=7FdKUaxWZ&title=Fatal-icon-crash-off-Tampa      Attachments:  

Halladay crash on STS
Halladay crash on STS

Ken Leonard - Nov 08   Viewers  | Reply
    Don - I think you posted a link to a public site from our private site.     
Don Maxwell - Nov 08   Viewers  | Reply
    I did, Ken, but it should work only for STS members. Others should see the goclub.com sign-up page. (I think.)     
Donald White - Nov 08   Viewers  | Reply
    Don and Ken, that is true Even if you have the STS link, you still need to login to view any content.     
Steve Kessinger - Nov 08   Viewers  | Reply
    Pre and post-mishap video. Very rough to watch. Godspeed.      Attachments:  

Halladay Icon mishap video
Halladay Icon mishap video

Daniel Hayden - Nov 08   Viewers  | Reply
    WTH? in 4-6 ft of water...jump in the fricking water and see if you can help!! I can't belief that many people there and nobody even gets in the water? I couldn't live with myself thinking what if... The video really frustrates me. Maybe I expect too much from people but I would really appreciate some effort if my life is in danger. Even if he was gone on impact, the caring and effort would be nice for the family to see rather than this idiotic narrative... I'm at a loss. Is it just me? Wouldn't most people think about helping rather than filming? Sorry for the rant but geez!!!     
Steve Kessinger - Nov 09   Viewers  | Reply
    You're looking at the bottom of the wing, pointing backwards toward the tail, which is twisted upside down. Note the upside down lettering on the vertical part which is not on the engine cowl but is on the pylon, the flap on the right side of the image, and the paint scheme shows the red leading edge of the wing is on the left, now pointing toward the tail. Cockpit would have been on the upper left but is missing.

In retrospect, I'll bet the first guys on the scene saw something pretty bad and that's why they didn't go in the water. They knew there was no point.


Pop quiz: know what this is?

Icon mishap
Icon mishap

Icon mishap
Icon mishap



Ken Leonard - Nov 09   Viewers  | Reply
    Clearly aircraft crash. Mil uniforms suggest 1980s. Perhaps Dallas L1011?     
Steve Kessinger - Nov 11   Viewers  | Reply
    It's the cockpit of the United 232 Sioux City mishap after having a DC-10 jackahmmer on it. There are 4 people alive in there.

Fast forward to 46:00 in this video to hear Capt. Al Haynes talk about it.

Capt Al Haynes talks about UAL 232
Capt Al Haynes talks about UAL 232

Daniel Hayden - Nov 12   Viewers  | Reply
    I was in the military at the time and one of our ER physicians happened to be waiting at that airport to fly back to Ft Rucker, AL. He immediately went out to the scene and was quickly overwhelmed. He said it was so eerie watching survivors walk out of the cornfield. Everyone was amazed there were any survivors after seeing the crash and the wreckage. Amazing CRM.     
Steve Kessinger - Nov 09   Viewers  | Reply
    Close. Very close.     
Don Maxwell - Nov 09   Viewers  | Reply
    Italian restaurant after a hurricane?     
David Mazer - Nov 09   Viewers  | Reply
    So, everyone in the reporting is making a big deal of the low altitude over open water. Am I the only one who routinely practices
low flight over open water (with great care for wind and glassy water to be sure I can land if the engine quits). I mean, I know
I'm not from prior posts here on STS.
Wayne Nagy - Nov 09   Viewers  | Reply
    You are not alone, David , but because of this high profile accident, you will be drawing MORE attention from Mr. Citizen when you do
it. At least in the short term...
Carr, Frank  - Nov 13   Viewers  | Reply
    As we all know from prior aircraft accidents, eye "witnesses" may not be very reliable or even useful.

Also, has any one else ever done repetitive touch and go's on the water for practice (As DM suggests above)? Or taken the sage
advice posted here and elsewhere to practice an engine out landing on water just in case you ever have a real engine out problem?

Did all the eye witnesses even know the subject airplane was an amphibian which, by the way, is an airplane that is designed to land
and operate on water?

Cell phone videos are probably better than accounts from unknowledgeable witnesses, but even they have limitations.

I have no info on the recent ICON crash and feel sorry for the victim and his family. I just plan to await some factual evidence and
conclusions from those with the data and knowledge..

God Speed (Thanks Steve K.)
Nickens, Dan - Nov 13   Viewers  | Reply
    Though this discussion reveals that we apparently have a surprising number of TV analysts within our group, it conflicts with the SnD guidelines (see link). The guidelines were intended to avoid discussions that might make it more difficult for the SeaRey drivers whose family members also participate here. Even though this was not a SeaRey accident, it may make some of our non-family fliers less excited about what we do. It's an important discussion and completely appropriate for the SeaRey Technical Site. (That's a hint.)      Attachments:  

Splash and Dash Site Guidelines
Splash and Dash Site Guidelines

Don Maxwell - 10:45 am   Viewers  | Reply
    Please see Dan's comment (above) about the Splash and Dash site guidelines.

A link to the NTSB preliminary report AND DISCUSSION is on STS: http://searey.us/sts/?NEWS&p=7FdKUaxWZ

If you're not an STS member, you can find the report on the NTSB's website: https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID=20171107X60614&AKey=1&RType=Prelim&IType=FA . But please use STS for serious discussion about it.


Steve Kessinger - 12:32 am   Viewers  | Reply

The last data point captured by the flight data recorder on Roy Halliday’s Icon A5 before his fatal crash shows the light sport at 200 feet above the water with a speed of 87 knots, says the NTSB. The preliminary report says a witness told investigators that “he saw the airplane perform a climb to between 300 and 500 feet on a southerly heading and then turn and descend on an easterly heading about a 45° nose-down attitude. He then saw the airplane impact the water and nose over.” The NTSB did not say how often the A5’s black box samples speed and altitude data, so it’s unclear from the report how much time may have elapsed between the last data point and impact with the water. As a light sport aircraft, the A5 is required to have a stall speed no higher than 45 knots.

Roy Halliday had been flying as low as 11 feet above ground level and as close as 75 feet to homes in his new Icon A5 before the fatal accident on November 7, says the NTSB report. The 11-foot pass recorded by the A5’s flight data recorder shows Halliday traveling at 92 knots—cruising speed for Rotax-powered the amphibian. The NTSB reports that the safety pin on the airframe parachute was still installed in the activation handle at the time of the crash. Icon checklists call for the pin to be removed prior to flight. Halliday’s logbook included 703.9 hours of total flight experience, including 51.8 hours in the Icon A5, according to the NTSB.
Daniel Myers - 01:09 am   Viewers  | Reply
    Good info. It would be nice if they spelled his name right, though...     

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