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Posted By:
Hal Brown
Date Posted:
Jun 12, 2008
Description:
Time will tell.......
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Category:
95, Other Seaplanes
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Jeff Arnold - Jun 12,2008
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Philip Mendelson - Jun 13,2008
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Looks Great! Hope it flies, I love the retracting wing!
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Ed Irizarry - Jun 12,2008
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Old glass cooker.Nice sponsoons and cowling.No floats-great.
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Kenneth Leonard - Jun 12,2008
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We can only hope it lives up to the hype. Seems like it has several things going for it - people who have successfully build good planes before. Some interesting seaplane ideas like folding wings and good top speed, lots of money and good marketing. Not having flown yet makes the plane vaporware so far. We'll see how she taxis on water in a crosswind with one fat pilot solo and no pontoons. $140k is not unreasonable for a already built, certified airplane but that will get you two Seareys with 914s. I suppose it's a different market niche they are filling. Sure looks sexy.
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Dave Lima - Jun 12,2008
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They'll be lined up to buy these, and I might be one of them, however I won't wait 3 years. I'll keep my damaged searey just so I can stay on these sites.
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Larry Woods - Jun 13,2008
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- At the end of the video, two guys are seated in the cockpit...... looks narrow but they might be big guys.<br /><br />- 430 pounds useful load.... 20 gallons of fuel....equates with a single seater if camping... and don't wander too far into the booneys <br /><br />- baggage and camping gear is stored where?<br /><br />- certification costs alone will likely double/triple the advertised selling price.<br /><br />- ensuring good airflow around the fore-shortened fuselage into the prop might need to be verified. <br /><br />- The folding wing demo was nifty but in the real world of water flying, simply keeping the gear retract system working properly requires diligence, never mind folding wing systems. <br /><br />- The wing appears to have a decent aspect ratio, which is excellent. Having the wings swing as demonstrated (which would be by hand, not by electro/hydraulic systems) would require one heck of a robust wing spar carry through assembly to provide the plus-minus 'g' load required by certification.<br /><br />- It sure is a good looking aircraft and if it meets the cruise speed spec, it would have plenty of appeal. <br /><br />- High 'T' tail keeps the stab/elevator surfaces well clear of wave damage.<br /><br />- Lift up canopy should provide excellent visibility but would be a negative in a botched water landing if the aircraft flipped. Side window size and actuation would need to be checked out by prospective buyers.<br /><br />- I did a back-of-the-envelope' 'parts/systems' estimate. Hard to see how it could be built for the suggested selling price in the absence of a philanthopic attitude. <br /><br />- width of fuselage-mounted sponsons (frontal area), combined with low mounting position might create significant drag from chop during early stage of takeoff. <br /><br />It will be interesting to watch the Icon's progress as it moves from concept to working prototype. <br /><br />Larry
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Kenneth Leonard - Jun 13,2008
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Larry - you mention 'certified' several times in your comments. My understanding of the LSA 'certification' proceedures is they are nothing compared to the 'normal' category airplane certification via FAA. I agree that with the serious players on the team and controlling the company, they have a good start, but as you say on the relatively low selling price, they will have to sell these at automobile quantities to make serious profit. Either they are thinking of transforming the market like they did with the PC or they are simply rich guys who love airplanes and can afford to indulge themselves.
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Dennis Scearce - Jun 12,2008
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Watch for future press releases of production, certification and financial difficulties. I think I'll wait until the used ICON market develops.
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Matt Tucciarone - Jun 12,2008
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looks very cool. Don't like the useful load of 430 lbs. My Aventura has a 600 lb useful load and with my fat friends, I need it. I do like the 120 knot cruise speed and the folding wings.
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Mark Alan MacKinnon - Jun 12,2008
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Looks like Flash & Dash.<br /><br />I share Ken's concern about the lack of sponsons. Have they even had this in the water yet? I bet a good stiff crosswind will dip a wing into the water. I'd want to know more about it before I slapped down $5K.
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Steve Gromak - Jun 13,2008
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I like it except for the price and it has tricycle gear. The interior it awesome. Mark it does have 'sponsons', it doesn't have floats, but the sponsons would be a great idea around docks and getting in and out of the plane while it's in the water. I'm with you though, I wouldn't give them any money until I see it all work, too many unknowns.
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Mark Alan MacKinnon - Jun 13,2008
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I meant WING sponsons.
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Eric Batterman - Jun 13,2008
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Mark, If you go to Icon's website - they talk about 'planning wingtips' 'patent-pending wingtips optimized for aerodynamic and hydrodynamic performance'. Looks like a very small version of the seawind configuration.
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Darrell Lynds - Jun 13,2008
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Well the marketing is overwhelmingly impressive. What an awesome bunch of names and pictures...and… what an awesome amount of money they have spent already... but not even one flying.... hmmmm.<br />
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Chet Tims - Jun 25,2008
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Darrell - you nailed it -- Not even ONE flying ..... However, if prospective buyers are OK with that, it's their money ...... and posterior ( nice word for ass... )
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Wade Holt - Jun 13,2008
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Looking at the control panel, if you enlarge it, it appears to have heat and air. I wonder how they managed that with the 912 and kept the weight down? Looking at the wing, I bet it doesn't get off the water like the Searey.
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Andy Shane - Jul 19,2008
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They don't seem to have concern for weight: mechanism (to include motors) to fold and extend wings, gear retraction for tricycle configuration, etc.<br /><br />Although, Wade, I notice the flying mockup (sans gear, folding mechanisms, interior, canopy mechanism, instrumentation, etc) managed to get into the air. <br /><br />Never mind the fact it wouldn't even stay upright on the water.<br /><br />I went through this drill with the Mermaid project, and it had ten times the legitimacy of the Icon at its onset.<br /><br />Years ago, the same kind of marketing hype was applied on a grand scale to push the Peregrine personal jet, depicted to the right in a series of pictures.<br /><br />Interestingly, those at Icon seem to be making an effort to shield the details of their craft from the waterbird community, marketing only to non-pilots. All we see in the videos is an entourage of himbos and spokestitutes... Plus, any comments to their own YouTube vids that are not gushing praise never get posted.<br /><br />Even after an unstable shell that mimics the artist conceptions of the massive hype flew, the only thing that keeps me from declaring it an outright hoax is the pedigrees of some on her developmental team.<br /><br />As I've said earlier, they've done little to convince me that this whole venture isn't just a grand way of proving that P.T. Barnum was 100% correct. Discovering that questions about the design fall on deaf ears merely serves to strengthen that conviction.<br /><br />Go ahead, gang. Ask 'em about details, and see what happens. <br /><br />[Disclaimer: Nobody wants a good LSA seaplane that is not lawnchair construction more than me. Yes, this could morph into a fine airplane, but not anytime in the immediate future. My guess is that they will burn through their capital and fold before cranking out the first fully-capable FAA-sanctioned airframe.]
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