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Posted By: Hal Brown

Date Posted: Aug 31, 2008

Description: Good to have strong offspring. Son Larry hauled both father and A-24 well up on the spit.

Date Taken: Aug 31, 2008

Place Taken: Toronto, Ont

Owner: Larry Woods

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Dave Edward - Sep 01,2008 Viewers | Reply


	Did you watch the AirShow from there? What time did high tide lift you out of the ( sand)<br />bar? Neat pics Larry

Dan Nickens - Sep 01,2008 Viewers | Reply


	The Immigrant is looking good, Larry. So is your son.<br /><br />Oh, yeah. So are you.

Thomas Alexander Bowden - Sep 01,2008 Viewers | Reply


	How much is an A-24 and where can one buy one. Is it a kit?

Larry Woods - Sep 01,2008 Viewers | Reply


	Hi Dave:<br /><br />LOL!!<br /><br />This was a couple of days before the big airshow. As both Larry and Todd trained in the City Centre tower, we could have watched it right from the tower. <br /> Having watched decades worth of air shows at Oshkosh the CNE show doesn't hold any attraction.<br /><br />On departure, son Larry simply lifted the nose and shoved us back out. No one messes with the father as I have three of them equally as muscular. (g)<br /><br />Hi Dan:<br /><br />Hard to believe that the offspring are such good looking rascals,..... goes to show that the male genes are not dominant. (g)<br /><br />Hi Thomas:<br /><br />The A-24 sells for just under $100,000, including engine, prop, interior, etc. Email me directly and I can supply details.<br /><br />Best,<br />Larry

Tom Binsfeld - Sep 01,2008 Viewers | Reply


	Larry, do you have any video of the A-24 landing in rough water? It certainly looks like she's capable of rougher water ops than the SeaRey. Is the 914 an option?

Dave Edward - Sep 02,2008 Viewers | Reply


	Tom...I can attest to the rough water characteristics of Larry's airplane. Last summer, at one of our monthly flying club's fly-in bkfsts, it was too rough for me to get there by air so I drove. Larry had flown in and after bkfst asked me to fly with him back to my place.<br />I was sceptical and off we went...doing touch & goes in white caps and waves I would be cautious of taxiing in. Very impressive ! We were getting a bit of spray through the prop,,,but I would have been very wet and inflicting major water damage to the prop had I been in my SeaRey...in those conditions.

Tom Binsfeld - Sep 02,2008 Viewers | Reply


	Thanks Dave. If you guys get a chance to video some rough water operations it would be most appreciated. I find the SeaRey does fairly well in 12 inches waves (when white caps begin to form) at gross weight. Solo, I landed in waves that were 1.5 to 2 feet high with 20 knots on the nose. The head wind allowed me to get slow enough to set down in between the bigger waves and get off the step quickly. Takeoff was literally launching off the 4th wave.

Larry Woods - Sep 02,2008 Viewers | Reply


	Hi Dave and Tom:<br /><br />Many thanks Dave for the testimonial. It is much appreciated.<br /><br />Having had the opportunity to fly in quite a few float planes and amphibians I have to say that the A-24 impresses me with its ability to handle SLIGHTLY more demanding water conditions. <br />Specific design items appear to contribute to this performance bonus including:<br />- being tractor-configured, and sporting remarkably efficient true fowler flaps, when you get bounced back into the air when a wave top is inadvertently encountered, a quick burst of throttle develops an instantaneous dollup of serious lift. The variable pitch prop also helps, especially at low speeds. This assists dramatically when one tackles more demanding chop conditions. I find that I can get the air speed down nicely when waves are encountered by using 20 degrees of flaps and simply floating along just above the waves with air speed being allowed to bleed down a bit, even as power is added. The A-24's big fowler flaps lower the nose when deployed 20 degrees and generate increased lift at slightly slower speeds with the added power. This keeps the aircraft's attitude reasonably level. Reduce power as you clear a wave and the A-24 flops down into the trough very nicely and at reduced speed. Not something that I would want to do in anything greater than 16 inches but nice to have at times. <br />- the hull shape also contributes via an extended lower keel line at the bow and plenty of lateral and longitudinal 'vee' (that extended lower 'snout' completely negates any tendency for the hull to 'suck under').<br />- the hull has plenty of freeboard (I have been in a few amphibians that provided VERY little freeboard). - It is remarkably well built and is as tough as a bent nail.<br /><br />One other item is worth noting. Some 7 A-24s have been inadvertently landed 'gear down' in water and NONE of them have flipped over. Yes, the forward lower hull was delaminated in all cases and had to be repaired, but that sure beats turning over. <br /><br />You can spec a 914, as Aeroprakt has installed this engine in the past. Unless you live in elevated country, I am not covinced it is a worthwhile addition. I have run the A-24 many times at full gross and where I live, it seems to provide good performance with the 912S.<br /><br />Finally, I LOVE the large waterproof storage compartment in the nose. Aside from adding dramatically to the aircraft's ability to haul camping gear, etc, it also allows one to balance the CG when at gross. This makes a big difference in what kind of water conditions one can handle. A CG up against the forward or aft limits dramatically reduces the water conditions any amphibian can tackle.<br /><br />I don't have any rough water video yet but will try to create some this fall. I do know that trying to create onboard video in rough water conditions is impossible as the camera just gets tossed around too much. (g)<br /><br />Tom, I too have experienced 'wave launching' but it scares the heck out of me. If one has not attained flight speed, such a 'launch' can turn ugly very quickly. What I have found with the A-24 is that in the presence of large (for me) waves, each one of them impedes aircraft acceleration both at the bow (when one smacks into its face) and at the tail (when the tail wheel catches a wave top as a result of the bow having been shoved upward). Even when I get up on the step, I have to be very careful to ease the A-24 into the air as each wave has the ability to alter the attitude of the aircraft instantaneously and below stall speed, one could end up with the nose shoved down while marginally airborne. I may be wrong but I think this is something all amphibians have to watch. I do find that the extra air being blown across the fowler flaps seems to help in those conditions, but I don't have enough experience in other amphibians to provide a comparison view. <br /><br />Most of my rough water activity has taken place on Lake Ontario. Many times I have flown over to do some water landings in very light wind conditions, only to find a two or three foot swell running (remnants of previous windy days). It doesn't look like much even at 100 to 200 hundred feet above the water but when you get right down a few feet off the water, you are staring at dark green walls. This type of condition is extremely dangerous and I simply do not think of landing in it. <br /><br />Best,<br />Larry <br /><br /><br /> <br /> <br /><br />- <br /><br />

Tom Binsfeld - Sep 03,2008 Viewers | Reply


	Thank you Larry, I look forward to seeing your videos. Rough water was something I explored for a short time. I like to know where the edge of the envelope is, but it is hard on the airframe and as you implied, something bad will happen eventually. I do prefer light winds and a 2 inch ripple on the water these days. The A-24 does appear to be more capable than the SeaRey and I look forward to a demo flight one day.

Dave Edward - Sep 03,2008 Viewers | Reply


	Attached is a picture of Doug...taken by John...during our fall Gaggle. I had declined Doug's challange of a SPLASH encounter of a seemingly tranquil Lake Ontario.<br />We repaired his tailwheel later.		Attachments: Doug abort 3

Don Maxwell - Sep 03,2008 Viewers | Reply


	Larry, how does it do with crosswind on the water? Can you land across the wind and parallel to swells, and if so, how much wind? That's not exactly my idea of fun in a SeaRey, but it has worked several times for me, including once with about 5 knots of crosswind and three-foot swells..

Larry Woods - Sep 03,2008 Viewers | Reply


	Hi Dave:<br /><br />Perfect illustration of an oh-so-common condition in a large (Lake Ontario) situation. Light chop from the current wind, running perpendicular to the swells (remnant of previous day's wind). Glad to hear no one got hurt.<br /><br />I have had many fellow pilots ride right seat with me in the A-24. Frequently, when we fly over to the Lake, they look down at similar conditions and remark that conditions appear great for water landings. It is only when you fly right down a few feet above the swells that they begin to understand that conditions might not be so great. Even so, most think I am a real wimp for deciding not to land. Discretion is the better part of valor.<br /><br />Best,<br />Larry

Tom Binsfeld - Sep 03,2008 Viewers | Reply


	I agree, a 1 foot swell is much worse than a 1 foot wind wave. The shorter the fetch the better.

Larry Woods - Sep 04,2008 Viewers | Reply


	Hi Don:<br /><br />Wow, 3 foot swells........ that is out of my league for sure.<br /><br />I have completed lots of cross wind landings on water but have limited this to 10 knots@ 90 degrees and only in benign water conditions. I have also landed at 90 degrees to swells but only up to a foot or so and only when the winds have been more or less on the nose. To this point in time, these conditions have not created difficulties for this admittedly non-veteran seaplane pilot (the A-24 behaved nicely) but I sure experienced plenty of adrenalin. (g) My greatest fear when landing along swells, particularly with a crosswind, is catching a float on an approaching swell. <br /><br />Best,<br />Larry

Don Maxwell - Sep 04,2008 Viewers | Reply


	Larry, I don't mean to suggest that landing along 3-foot swells with a crosswind is something I do every day--just that I've done it when it was more attractive than the alternatives. That was on Lake Michigan, in deep, open water where the swells had a rather long period. It turned out to be easy that time, but I wouldn't go looking for opportunities to do it again. But I've alighted several times in the C-hull SeaRey along 1-foot or 1.5-foot swells and a light crosswind with no difficulty. Again, it's not a situation I'd go looking for, but it does seem to be do-able.

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