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Ralph Pritchard - Mar 03,2004
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In Canada we assemble the airplane according to the instructions and attest that we followed the manufacturer's directions to register it as an Advanced Ultralight.<br /><br />What extra steps do you guys down south have to do to get it certified down there?<br /><br />- Firewall? what kind<br />- Wiring differences?<br />- Inspector visits? what and when<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Ralph
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Jim Thomas - Mar 04,2004
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Ralph,<br /><br />Basically the same drill down here. There is only one inspection upon completion. If everything works as advertised, you're good to go. Registration is as an experimental in category and class.<br /><br />Whoever gets the repairman's certificate has their last name added to the 'brand name' i.e. Pritchard SeaRey.
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Dennis Vogan - Mar 04,2004
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Ralph, are you building a Searey in this category, or have you done so already?
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Ralph Pritchard - Mar 05,2004
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I have a fellow who wants me to build a SeaRey for him and lives in the U.S. <br /><br />Perhaps someone can point me to a site showing the specifications for experimental??
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Don Maxwell - Mar 05,2004
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Ralph, I just followed the instructions in the SeaRey manual for the construction. For certification, the FAA wants an EXPERIMENTAL' placard, a passenger warning placard, the weight & balance figures, and some paperwork.<br /><br />The FAA info is at <a href="http://www.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/av-info/dst/amateur/default.htm">http://www.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/av-info/dst/amateu<br>r/default.htm</a><br /><br />And the EAA has excellent info on the paperwork (and the whole process) at <a href="http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/registering/articles/articles.html">http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/registering/article<br>s/articles.html</a> but it's restricted to EAA members only.<br />
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John Demarco - Mar 06,2004
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All,<br />I hate to even bring this up but I've got to know the answer to this question. I went to the FAA site that Don posted and found the following from the FAA Order 8130.2E 'Airworthiness Certification of Aircraft and Related Products' <br />SECTION 7. EXPERIMENTAL AMATEUR-BUILT<br />AIRWORTHINESS CERTIFICATIONS : Has the following in it !!!<br />c. Kit Construction.<br />(1) An aircraft that is built from a kit may be eligible for amateur-built certification, provided<br />the major portion of the aircraft (that is, more than 50 percent), has been fabricated and assembled by the<br />applicant for education and/or recreation and the applicant has evidence to support the major portion<br />requirement. Based on the criteria set forth in paragraphs 127a and b of this order, it is obvious that an<br />aircraft assembled from a kit composed of completely finished prefabricated components, parts,<br />and precut/predrilled materials is not eligible for the issuance of an experimental airworthiness<br />certificate as an amateur-built aircraft.<br /><br />Has anybody gotten their plane certified recentely or heard of someone that has and if so was there any problems about this kit having almost all of the parts pre-drilled?? or any other problems with getting certified because of this Order??? <br /><br />Thanks for any responses and NO I didn't sleep very well last night!!!!!! Where's the damn COFFEEEE!!!<br /><br />John
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Don Maxwell - Mar 06,2004
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John Demarco: On a SeaRey, the pre-drilled parts are no problem at all. What the FAA wants to know is whether the builder does more than half the total work. That doesn't include the design work or the kit manufacturer's rounding up of parts, printing the manual, and so on--just the time required to build the one airplane. Even if you could build one in the '400 hours' that PA says is possible, you'd still be doing much more than half of the work. Cutting and drilling the tubing is quick with the proper jigs. The fiberglass work probably takes more time than anything else that comes with the kit. The FAA doesn't count manufacturing the engine, only installing it.
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Jon Ladd - Mar 06,2004
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I've seen 4 Seareys certified in Orlando in the last 90 days.
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Chris Vernon-Jarvis - Mar 06,2004
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The rules are interpreted rther differently in Canada.<br /><br />We get a list to fill out which asks 'did you build wings?<br />Did you buid fuselage' etc etc. Some parts are listed in detail, eg' Did you build main spar?' and some are in less detail ad many parts are included in both, ei 'wings' and 'Ribs' and 'Main Spar'<br /><br />Ten ou go down the list and add up the numbers. If there are more ticked for 'yes I built' then you qualify.<br /><br />HOWEVER here is the thing....... If you get a part that is partly made and you do some work on it then it qualifies and 'I built' For instance the ribs. We drill the end tabs, therefore we built them. (However ALL the ribs only qualify as one line, ie one item. If you have to drill a hole in the main spar then you qualify as making the main spars, one line.<br /><br />When I first got the package I did not see how it could possibly qualify and the BUT is this. <br /><br />I'm not sure if you complete as an ultrlight there is even an inspection at all, you just certify it is built as designed. If you go overweight for ultralight you can't certify as Amateur built because you did not have the required intermediate inspections. If you build as Amateur Built and don't complete as 51% own work you certainly can't qualify for certifying as factory built and if you are over weight you can't go back and qualify as Ultralight. <br /><br />BUT the inspector will not qualify ou as 51% at intermediate inspections because you can't fill out the forms as 'Have Built....' You can only get that qualification at the final inspection.<br /><br />Talk about Catch 22
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Paul Friddell - Mar 07,2004
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In the US, the phrase that helps us all is: 'assembled by the applicant for education/recreation.....'. The FAA interpretation is that if you have built, say five wing ribs, you have learned to build ribs and there is no need to build 25 more if the kit manufacturer can provide them already built. Many kit manufacturers have been able to use this feature to have the FAA pass on their 'quick build' kits, And the FAA does (or at least did) have a list of those kits that pass their interpretation of the '51% rule'. Other items enjoy a complete exemption, such as instrument panels that you can order completely assembled and wired, ready to plug in -- with no penalty. Consiquently the actual work accomplished by the person assembling the kit may be far less that 51% of the actual construction labor.. <br />Jay Friddell
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