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Mark Alan MacKinnon - Feb 16,2005
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Has anyone read this article in February's EAA SPORT AVIATION magazine (pg. 12)?<br /><br />EAA has recognized that the FAA's LSA rule is unclear concerning amphibious operations, and is working with the FAA to clarify this area.<br /><br />I added the parentheses around 'solution' because EAA is in FAVOR of the FAA limiting LSA amphibians, like the Searey, to two possibilities (I've taken verbatim from the article):<br /><br />1. 'EAA supports allowing a sport pilot to fly an aircraft that allows for gear repositioning in flight and that complies with all other LSA specifications, provided that the pilot REFRAINS (my emphasis) from reconfiguring the gear during flight. In this case, enforcement would simply entail confirming that each flight's takeoff and landing used the same medium.'<br /><br />2. 'The other option would prohibit aircraft that allow in-flight gear reconfiguration from qualifying as LSA's, thereby restricting them from sport pilot use. In this case, the FAA would not certificate such aircraft as LSA's.'<br /><br />The article sums up:<br />'The intent is clear: maintain the operational simplicity of sport pilot aviation by ensuring that the takeoff and landing for each sport-pilot flight will use the same medium (land or water). The FAA believes this will help prevent gear-down landings on water and gear-up landings on runways.'<br /><br />(Pictured with the article is, I believe, PA's V-tail Searey).<br /><br />So in other words, if EAA gets it's way, you can fly your Searey under the Light Sport aircraft rules, as long as you DO NOT cycle the gear in flight! You take off from land...you have to land on land. Take off from water? Fine, you can cycle the gear up in the water, take off, but you have to land on water again.<br /><br />Obviously, LSA pilots are stupid and cannot be trusted to cycle the gear in flight.<br /><br />Wanna take off from your airport and go to a Searey splash-in gaggle, with your LSA bird? Not if this goes through.<br /><br />Do you base your LSA Searey on a lake, and want to fly to ANY airport, for lunch, fly-in, FUEL, whatever? Nope. No way.<br /><br />This would obviously seriously impact the Searey as an LSA kit. <br /><br />I would think that the PA folks would be very concerned about this and unhappy with EAA, as I am.
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Rick Oreair - Feb 16,2005
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Yes, I guess the only way that a Searey can be used as a LSA is if you have a boat ramp AND an airstrip!
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Kenneth Leonard - Feb 17,2005
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I expect to get lots of heat for this statement, but I happen to believe the basic premis of the LSA attempt to limit gear movement is correct. Bottom line, the LSA is an attempt to bring novice pilots into flying. It's not really an attempt to let high time folks who loose thier medical find another way to fly. That said, what is the big risk with seaplanes and novice pilots? (retorical question) I know, a wrong gear position on a searey isn't likely to end up with injury, but the Searey is an exception amoung the Amphib community. After a few hundred hours of experience, if an LSA pilot wants to expand thier envelope, get a seaplane license with the proper training.<br />Or maybe PA asks for a waiver of the restriction when they demonstrate that a wrong gear position isn't a catastrophic error on this model.
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Terry Mac Neill - Feb 17,2005
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Hello,<br /><br />I think my ignorance is going to show here ..... so educate me .... land on water = gear up <br />land on land = gear down, pretty basic so far, WHY ???can't the gear position be visually verified EASILY versus having all the bells and whistles. Is technology better than basics ??? Is the set-up for a landing in a Searey so hectic that there is no time for a confirming glance ?? Here's hoping that my wife does'nt have to eat my words. Your thoughts please.
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Mark Alan MacKinnon - Feb 17,2005
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Ken, it was not my understanding that the LSA was primarily a 'novice' license for pilots, but a means for simpler, more affordable flying for anyone (everyone), who does not need to fly at night or with more than one passenger, etc. In my case, I'm a licensed pilot with seaplane rating, who owns a single-place Searey (Stingray), and I had planned to fly it under the LSA rules, basically since it would save me the trouble and expense of a medical exam. But if this goes through as EAA proposes, that fouls that up, and not just for me, but for anyone else who owns or had planned on getting an LSA amphib.<br /><br />I think that really, this is unenforcable anyway. <br /><br />And the FAA's thinking that this will help incorrect gear position landings is wrong too. If your plane is based at an airport with a seaplane base like I am, you still have two options for landing, and it's best to ALWAYS check the gear position before landing, even if you didn't cycle the gear. Having EAA's 'solution' in place may (will) encourage pilots to not bother to check the gear, and a landing with the gear in the wrong position can still happen.
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Randy Wilder - Feb 20,2005
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Question... has there ever been a gear-down water landing in a Searey? If so, what was the result?
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Charlie Huskey - Feb 20,2005
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A photography buff in Oregan did a wheel landing down on water about 4 years ago. P A rebuilt the plane. The pilot survived but died sometime later, he was in his 80`s. Someone in northern Calif was selling the plane, I talked with them a couple time and P A about the plane when I first got interested in the SeaRey. The owner had an interesting gilhooley on his plane. He had installed a stablizer bar from the front of the hull to the landing gear. Apparently it worked for strengthing the L G.
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Dan Nickens - Feb 20,2005
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The file cabinet on the technical side has a listing of SeaRey accidents or incidents. That's a good place for SeaRey fliers to discuss them.
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