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Matt Jackson - Jun 25,2009
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Hey everyone, I've been lurking around here for a while now, ever since I met Don at the Suffolk fly in about a month ago.<br /><br />I've been planning out the next couple years... first step is getting married, second step is finding a new place to live where my fiance and I can build and fly our searey! Third step is build searey, fourth step ???, fifth step profit.<br /><br />Anyway, I've got a couple questions for you seareyholics:<br />1. What's the smallest lake / pond you have ever flown from?<br />2. I noticed that on progressive aerodyne's site over the last couple months they have gone to just offering the LSX kit. Is it still possible to get a new, cheaper kit with a C hull?<br /><br />Thanks guys, look forward to meeting a lot of you sometime around 2011 when we hope to have our bird in the air!
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Dave Lima - Jun 25,2009
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You've got a great plan Matt, but it's backwards. First get the Searey, then the house and finally if she's still around maybe, just maybe get married, but don't worry with a Searey there'll be lots of chicks around eg. the *Taco Twins*. There are sometimes used kits out there, or partially completed ones. Either way, you have a plan and that's a good start.<br />I know where there is a 2006 complete kit for sale for $20,000.
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Bill Hinkel - Aug 16,2009
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Hi, Dave! You say you know of a 'complete' kit, '06 model, available for $20,000 - does that include a 912 engine?
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Dave Lima - Aug 16,2009
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No engine Bill, but a complete kit with a C hull partially completed.
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John w Shirah - Aug 19,2009
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Hahaha,,,are you referring to my taco twins? The 'manic hispanics'?
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Dave Lima - Aug 19,2009
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Yup, and when we come to Florida in the winter, I expect to see them and any others you and Daniel can round up. That's why I love to see the young guns enter the Searey fleet!
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John w Shirah - Aug 20,2009
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Dave, Your too damn funny! Well Daniel has a girlfriend But i am single so I am allowed to roam. What time <br />are you coming down from up north? give me a heads up so I can start the hunt for you and also let the <br />'taco twins' know!
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Dave Lima - Aug 20,2009
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We're down every March to the Keys and Orlando so you've time! Every time Phil comes up here to Canada I have to raid the local Bingo halls for some stragglers for him. He likes the ones with the walkers...he says they can't get away as easy.
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John w Shirah - Aug 20,2009
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I like the ones in the motorized scooters. that way they can drive me home from the bar!
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Kenneth Leonard - Jun 25,2009
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'There I was... gear stuck in the up position, so I radioed my friend on the ground to take a leak so I could land in the puddle.' <br /><br />I live on a lake that is under 2000' with trees all around. I fly this lake with my 80 horses at gross and much smaller lakes solo but I think our community may be reluctant to spell out minimum numbers because you really need to use judgment and experience and factor in wind, temps, altitude, weight and other conditions. Don't let someone else's fish story make you decide the risk you take because they have done it and survived. I asked the same question when I was building. A couple of high timers flew in for a visit and instantly showed by example it could be done safely - with the judgment that experience had brought them. I still owe them, big time and THAT, my friend, is the best part of owning a Searey, the community you fly with! We really try to limit technical discussions to the owners only site. You can look up a persons e-mail under the address section and talk to them back-channel. <br />
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John McLeroy - Jun 26,2009
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I think your pond is about the limit to lift off and clear a 50 footer at the end safely. I too have the 80hp and feel confortable at max gross, fairly summertime hot and 2 peeps. Still it'll take some finesse to do it and you'll be squeekin' through a gap in the trees if you do it wrong! It's sure is fun to go into challenges like these and it's great to get the advise of folks on this site who have blazed the trail ahead of you.
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Kenneth Leonard - Jun 27,2009
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John - I do not disagree with you. I lost a cylinder at gross weight on <br />takeoff from my lake a couple of months ago and the trees were a serious <br />factor. I was not mentally prepared for the water abort I should <br />have made as I realized my climb wasn't there.
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Don Maxwell - Jun 25,2009
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Hi, Matt. Pay no attention to Backward Dave Lima's idea of reversing the order. Your fiance is a keeper, for sure! (And she's an engineer, Dave.)<br /><br />Your lake size question has several answers. A SeaRey needs less than 500 feet to land or take off if there are no obstructions. But there almost always are obstructions--high banks, trees, hills--so you have to account for climb and descent rates. It's often possible to make a curving takeoff that gets around the obstruction problem to some extent. Landing on a small lake can be daunting because you see it obliquely, so it looks smaller than it is. And if the water is glassy, landing can take a good distance because you can't judge your height, and I'd be leery about trying a curving approach to glassy water. Maybe somebody else does it all the time, though. So, like Ken's, my answer is: It depends.
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Dennis Vogan - Jun 26,2009
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Matt,<br /><br />I can't add any better advice re: the lake size.<br /><br />As for the pre-LSX option, don't think about it unless you're buying a flying SeaRey. All the mods included in the LSX only make it a better plane. To keep cost down, you can still order it with a lot of standard or basic equipment (ie: manual gear, flaps, basic panel & interior) but the LSX airframe mods are keepers.
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Philip Mendelson - Aug 17,2009
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I have owned two Reys, one glass hull, the other Carbon, I have flown the new LSX it<br />is a much improved bird. If your budget allows build a new LSX.,
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Jeff Arnold - Aug 18,2009
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Phil, care to elaborate on 'much improved'? What stands out for you?
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Walt Bates - Aug 18,2009
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Jeff, my past Searey experience is much like Phil's and 'much improved' to me means that the LSX is both slower and faster. The only downsides I noted on the the test aircraft I flew.........It has a higher hump in the center area of the panel and at 5' 7' that is a problem for me taxiing in a three point attitude. But that's easily changeable. Another issue for guys who cover their wings would be the LSX's Vortex Generators.
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Lee Pfingston - Aug 19,2009
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Hi Jeff: Flew the same test aircraft with Walt, and much improved is an understatement! The searey is an everevolving aircraft, but it's greatest evolution to date is this one. It is both faster and slower. faster means nothing, but slower with total control, on this type of aircraft, and the situations it is flown into.........Priceless. If anyone is at a stage where they could change their flying surfaces to LSX they should do so. I did such with mine.
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Dan Nickens - Aug 19,2009
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Different folks, different impressions. I've got old N220WT back in the air. I like it just the way it is.
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Philip Mendelson - Aug 19,2009
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For me the airplane flew beautifully, we were flying in a fifteen to twenty knot wind.<br />The airplane was so smooth and responsive, she hardly cared. My Searey would have been a handful, this one was a docile puppy.The new LSX feels more solid in the air,<br />and easier to handle.
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Tony Gugliuzza - Jun 26,2009
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I can't speak for short water operations, I have too little experience on the water and I love having lots and lots of open water to land in. But, I operate my Searey from a 1,000' obstructed grass strip and I have an opinion on short runways in general. It can be done, but it sucks for every day operations. I would be happy with 3,000 feet. <br />Landing is rarely an issue but every takeoff is a max performance event fraught with increased risk. Many summer days require me to take off solo and pick up my passenger and another field. <br /><br />
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John Robert Dunlop - Aug 19,2009
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I would like to add my two cents worth of perspective.<br />Though this discussion is certainly technical in nature it provides answers that a prospective SeaRey owner can only find here.<br /><br />I also have flown the new LSX both solo and dual (on only five occasions) and honestly believe it offers a stronger, but heavier aircraft with some low speed and high gross weight performance improvements. <br /><br />This does not mean that an older, lighter, quality-built SeaRey is not a great little aircraft. Dan has more hours in more SeaReys including the LSX than anyone except perhaps Kerry Richter and Paige Lynette. The fact that he has re-commissioned N220WT is a statement not to be taken lightly.<br /><br />To answer Matt’s question, no, the LSX is the only 51% SeaRey kit offered by Progressive Aerodyne. Will it be possible to purchase an older kit and upgrade it to an LSX? Not for the foreseeable future. The Factory has had to prioritise the allocation of LSX parts to new production kits while it continues the development and testing of the aircraft for sLSA certification. There may, however, be one or two 2009 slots for factory-built upgrades. For an answer to this question you might contact Darrell Lynds at: 877 426-2477<br />
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