Splash and Dash Searey Seaplane Delights                            May 4 11:05 Guest User - Request Membership Layout | Log In | Help | Videos | Site | Emails  Search:   Front Page Calendar Photos Add Photos News Add News File Cabinet Add File Cabinet History Add History * Searey Info * Add * Searey Info * Polls Add Polls Classifieds Add Classifieds Utilities Create a New Site  News View All News | Add News | Emoticons | Mark Unread Search News:      Category: 278,SeaRey Safety Previous Item - ATTENTION CENTRAL FLORIDA FLYERS This will go to the previous thread in this topic.       Favorite option: If you want this item to be marked as a favorite, click on the black heart.   Pilotage still has a plac...         Next Item - Attention all Central Florida Flyers This will go to the next thread in this topic.    Kenneth Leonard - Jun 03,2010   Viewers  | Reply     Pilotage still has a place in the modern cabin:<br /><br />'Something's not right. Go around.'<br /><br /><a href="http://cbs5.com/video/?id=65214?kpix.dayport.com">http://cbs5.com/video/?id=65214@kpix.dayport.com</a><br /><br /><br /><br />          Philip Mendelson - Jun 04,2010   Viewers  | Reply     Great post Ken...          Dave Lima - Jun 04,2010   Viewers  | Reply     Wow, you would never think that this could happen in todays world.          Don Maxwell - Jun 04,2010   Viewers  | Reply     GIGO.          Philip Mendelson - Jun 05,2010   Viewers  | Reply     David, we should hear this from some of our Airline breathen, but my experience flying IFR tells me that they should have had a lot of warnings, such as an instrument scan, including glidescope and altimeter, if they were indeed that low normally you would get a repeated low altitude alert from either approach or the tower. The story sounds a little fishy. Especially with a pending lawsuit          Frank A. Carr - Jun 05,2010   Viewers  | Reply     Agreed Phil, and tho I have no experience nor knowledge of Big Iron, don't <br />they have a Radar Altimeter and/or with a<br />ground proximity warning?          Dave Lima - Jun 05,2010   Viewers  | Reply     And more than one gps system.          Philip Mendelson - Jun 05,2010   Viewers  | Reply     Sounds plausible, however would'nt they get an alert from either approach or the tower about low altitude, or am i just spoiled with Orlandos excellent service...          Chris Leng - Jun 05,2010   Viewers  | Reply     If you cross the marker too low, you may get an alert, but they didn't. Their approach was taking them to a point in space where there was no runway since it was the offset LDA to 28R vs the straight in ILS. The auto pilot probably did a beautiful job of tracking the LOC and G/S for the LDA after the pilots programmed the computer for the ILS. The controller did say AFTER the approach that he looked off course.          Chris Leng - Jun 05,2010   Viewers  | Reply     Honeywell outsources the updates to India. This mistake was found on several of the 747's. In general, they swaped/mislabled the LDA 28R (with G/S) for the ILS 28R. Since 28L and 28R are too close to use during IFR/MVFR conditions, the LDA 28R is used on the right side when conditions allow, to keep A/C apart until they can see each other. The LDA is angled and the missed app point ends at a point approximately 4 miles from the rwy and not pointed at the rwy. The G/S of course, will take you right into the water if you let it. The pilots selected the 28R ILS because the wx was very low. The A/C tuned, identified and intercepted the LDA instead. The pilots were looking at the LOC and G/S bars that were dead on. Yes, there were some basic things that could have been accomplished to prevent this, however, it didn't happen and some very experienced pilots almost landed in the bay. Since this happened, we have been required to verify and manually enter the correct ILS freq. Most of us verify the freq anyway as part of our own SOP, You can go a whole career without ever finding a mistuned freq and easily get lulled into thinking it will never happen. Not only did it happen, but at the worst possible time. I have passed this info on as it was explained to me. I was not there, so this is second hand info only. There has not been any communication from the company by anyone with verifiable information, so we are left with this seccond hand info, for what it's worth.          Frank A. Carr - Jun 04,2010   Viewers  | Reply     Sounds plausible but one always wonders about anything aeronautical <br />coming from TV....<br /><br />First questions: if Honeywell had an 'error in the data base' why was the <br />error confined to this aircraft? Or, was it? And, does Honeywell really <br />provide the data base updates to the INS in these UA 74's? <br /><br />Comments from you pros out there?          Randolph Palma - Jun 04,2010   Viewers  | Reply     Yes, Honeywell really provides the database updates.          Kenneth Leonard - Jun 05,2010   Viewers  | Reply     Highly likely the tv emphasized the drama to the detriment of truth. Sounds like honeywell messed up <br />only that airports location.          Philip Mendelson - Jun 06,2010   Viewers  | Reply     And Thankfully an alert pilot caught the error......

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