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Mike Alger - Jun 25,2011
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Hello...sorry if this doesn't belong here. I'm not yet a Searey owner, and therefore do not have access to the technical site. My question is: has anyone gotten IFR certification for their Searey? Not knowing much about experimentals in general, is it a hassle to do so?
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David Mazer - Jun 25,2011
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Welcome Mike. I'm not the foremost expert by any stretch of <br />the imagination but I can't imagine flying a SeaRey in IFR <br />conditions and feeling even remotely under control. Even if <br />it can be done, and I know plenty of experimental planes have <br />been certified IFR, I wouldn't.
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Don Maxwell - Jun 25,2011
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Mike, I know of one guy who told me he used his SeaRey for IFR currency, and I saw that it was suitably equipped. But it's not likely that he did any checkrides in it.<br /><br />I've used my own Dynon-equipped SeaRey for IFR practice with foggles and a CFII aboard and was able to hold a heading, make course changes, ascents and descents, and so on, without too much trouble. The air was fairly smooth at the time.
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Philip Mendelson - Jun 25,2011
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Smooth air, no problem, weather I think not.
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Mike Purinton - Jun 25,2011
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Mike<br /><br />Being a Searey owner and IFR rated I would not want to operate a Searey in actual IFR <br />conditions. You could use it to try to keep current but that would be about it. Also by <br />the time you had one equipped for IFR you would be adding additional weight to an <br />airplane that does not enjoy the best load carrying ability to begin with. The cost of <br />keeping it IFR current would more than likely pay for a IFR rated rental.
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Tom White - Jun 27,2011
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Last week, LGB reported its typical spring marine layer ceiling at 600 ft. Pilot reports put the tops at 1600 feet. Fullerton, less than 10 miles away was reporting clear skies and 10 mi vis. Winds, current and forecast, were light and variable. No reports nor forecast of turbulence. <br /><br />The SeaRey was left in the hangar and instead we punched through out to ACS Corona in a 172 rented for $130/hr. Coming back several hours later, everything but the coastline and LGB were severe VFR. LGB popped into view at 800 on the VOR approach after only a couple of minutes of actual.<br /><br />Question?: Assuming the same conditions and a suitably equipped SeaRey with the latest E-gizmos, would you launch in your SeaRey or take the 172? Anybody else care to weigh in?<br /><br />
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Jeff Sauers - Jun 28,2011
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I was avoiding participation in this thread because this is a sensitive subject to me. I used to be an airline pilot and before that, a freight dog, and flew in a lot and really nasty weather. I am seriously considering equipping my Searey for IFR. It's not that I plan on flying the plane in any hard IFR, but it is exactly for the types of conditions that Tom describes that it really comes in handy to have the equipped airplane. My plans are to travel from Maryland to Florida often and I may occationally have to deal with some weather. Also I will use the airplane at night. (nice to fly IFR at night)<br /><br />My question to those who don't recommend an IFR equipped Searey; Does the SeaRey have some flying characteristic that you feel makes it unsafe to fly in the clouds? Or are you saying that no small GA airplane should be flown in the clouds?<br /> <br />I realize the limitations of a small single engine airplane in bad weather. But being that my plane is not built yet, and I don't have any time in a Searey, I want to make sure that you're not singling out the searey as a bad IFR plane compared to other small GA airplanes.<br /><br />Thanks for the clarification.
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Dan Nickens - Jun 28,2011
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What's IFR? If it's not I Follow Roads aimlessly then it needs to be on <br />the technical site. Sorry, Mike, but this kind of discussion of aircraft <br />capabilities and limitations is the reason there is another site. You <br />might try contacting posters individually with these questions until you <br />get on STS.
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Jeff Sauers - Jun 28,2011
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Sorry Dan. I didn't help matters with my provocative follow up. I should know better than to try to 'peck a fight' while not on the STS. Shame on me. I take the blame for going over the edge! Mike, that is another reason for building a Sea Rey. You get to partake in some great aviation discussions on the STS.
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Don Maxwell - Jun 28,2011
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Dan's right, Jeff. But before you give up on S&D for that question, you might have a look at this photo and the few that follow it: Photos&p=SZYVW0000
They won't answer your question, but they might give you another perspective on seaplane flying.
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Jeff Sauers - Jun 28,2011
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That's a great story! I would think that not many have photos like that, on Lake Michigan in the fog! I can imagine an evasive manuever to avoid a container ship that appears all of the sudden. Those are the times you wonder' What in the heck did I get myself into?' That really is a great story!
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Don Maxwell - Jun 28,2011
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It was kind of stupid, Jeff, but great fun, and I learned a lot.<br /><br />But if there's a point about IFR and SeaReys (and seaplanes in general) it's that you can get yourself into IMC by mistake easier in a SeaRey than in a landplane because of where you're likely to fly in it. So you need to be prepared mentally, and the airplane should be at least minimally equipped so that you can keep it rightside up--for example, if you find yourself in haze over a body of water large enough that you can't see the shoreline. That has happened to me several times. Otherwise, stick to CAVU weather.
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Jeff Sauers - Jun 29,2011
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Thats good advise. I have had a few not so smart adventures myself over the years. I've made it a must to add my seaplane rating as well as the trip to Tavares for the full-on transition package before I complete my 'rey'. I feel it is wise to maintain the instrument skills since you never know when you'll need em'.
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Greg Burtner - Jun 29,2011
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I'd be more concerned about the pilot operating in IMC than the airplane...I hope that's not <br />too technical :0
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