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Jeff Arnold - Nov 22,2007
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Dave Lima - Nov 23,2007
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That's good, but I did one even shorter than that...in the trees, too bad I didn't have the camera running,
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Tony Gugliuzza - Nov 26,2007
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Jeff,<br /><br />What airport is that?
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Jeff Arnold - Nov 26,2007
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Hi Tony, It is New River Valley airport (PSK). It's about 5 miles north of my home on Claytor Lake. Being the closest airport, that I where I go to practice ground work.
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Tony Gugliuzza - Nov 26,2007
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Never mind, I found it.<br />By my microsoft live measurements, it looks like a 260 foot rollout after wheels down and that put you about 320 feet from the extreme edge of the runway. Nice.<br /><br />If you like short landings you should come by my field, I regularly stop in under 200 feet - but it's cheating, there is a serious uphill slope. Its fun though, I don't really need brakes, except for taxiing back down the hill.
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Rick Oreair - Nov 30,2007
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Tony, how much of a grade does your strip have? Also how long is your field? Do you always land uphill? How about takeoff? I am still in the process of clearing out a 2500' strip in the middle of a pine forest, and it is downhill the entire length ( or uphill) Would be interested in your experience and any tips.
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Rick Oreair - Nov 30,2007
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Wow Jeff. It looks like that was a wheel landing. Just think how short a full stall could have been.
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Tony Gugliuzza - Nov 30,2007
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Rick,<br />I don't know the actual grade of incline. The runway is 1200' long, the first half has most of the incline, the second half is closer to level - just a little inclineI would say that the altimeter reads about 35 to 50' difference from bottom to top, which doesnt sound like much incline.<br />You can kind of see the hill in the video I posted on another thread(link below). The steeper part comes just before the port-a-john.<br /><a href="http://www.carolinaflyin.com/stuff/searey-nbi-takeoff.wmv">http://www.carolinaflyin.com/stuff/searey-nbi-takeoff.wmv</a><br /><br />In a phantom or Flightstar - even two up- I could land either way. In those same ULs I could take off solo uphill. In other planes I would not try it uphill, unless I had a steady 30mph headwind, in which case I would only voluntarily go up in a Phantom.<br /><br />My Searey wont be departing uphill. Starting the ground roll on the steep end would use too much to get me off the ground, and still be able to climb away from the rising terrain to clear the trees. I won't be landing downhill either. After clearing the trees I would use half the runway just to get the wheels on the ground, then I would have to try to get it stopped on the steep downhill part.<br /><br />Landing with a 10 -15 mph tailwind is not a problem - as long as it is fairly steady and not wildly gusting. As with all my landings there. by the time I am 25 feet from the ground, If I dont KNOW that I'm going to get my wheels on the ground on the steep part - the first half of the runway - then I go around. With the runway being short and inclined you just have to pick your point of no return a little earlier.<br />The only time the runway is restictive is for takeoffs in hot weather (high density altitude) with a tailwind. In fact it is mainly because of this that I am planning on re-locating to a longer runway. <br /><br />With 2500 feet, I think that really changes things, depending on how many pine trees are obstructing your approach. I would probably still takeoff downhill with tailwinds up to 10 or so. And I would probably always land uphill, unless the headwind was really kicking. I think I just like landing uphill, its easier. You just level out and the ground comes up to meet your wheels. You may find your runway so sheltered from wind that tailwinds and headwinds will be nil until you get above the treeline. I know of one runway that is almost always like that. <br />
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Don Maxwell - Dec 01,2007
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Tony, you said: 'so sheltered from wind that tailwinds and headwinds will be nil until you get above the treeline.' That's when you hope it's a headwind!
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Tony Gugliuzza - Dec 13,2007
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Rick,<br /><br />Here is a video of a landing at Northbrook. I may have exaggerated when I said I regularly stop in under 200 feet, I dunno. This one looks like about 300 from wheels down to turn around, light brakes used on the second half of the roll out. The incline does most of the work.<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.carolinaflyin.com/stuff/searey-nbi-landing.wmv">http://www.carolinaflyin.com/stuff/searey-nbi-landing.wmv</a> (8megs)<br /><br /><br />Bruno! Here's a smaller version for you! <br /><a href="http://www.carolinaflyin.com/stuff/searey-nbi-landing-s.wmv">http://www.carolinaflyin.com/stuff/searey-nbi-landing-s.wmv</a> (2megs)<br /><br />Tony G.<br />
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Tony Gugliuzza - Dec 22,2007
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Rick,<br />I lied when I said I wouldnt be landing the Searey downhill. Well, I didnt deliberately lie, I just thought I wouldnt.<br />Yesterday I had a 15-20mph tailwind and the mechanical turbulence over the trees before the runway was wicked. I have a nearby alternate runway so there was no real pressure. I thought I'd take a go at coming over the trees to land downhill, and if it wasnt working out, It would be an easy go-around. It worked out pretty good.<br />Today I ran into the same problem, just not quite as much wind, so I turned on the video camera. Well, I learned that my camera locks in the focus when you first start it in video mode, and since it was sitting on the deck, everything is blurry. If I had known I woulda gone back up and done it again. Errr....maybe....<br />Here it is anyway, sorry for the blurry, but you'll get the idea.<br />I came in from the side on this landing to ge over the slighty shorter trees. They are a few feet lower then the ones right in line with the runway, but the few feet helped because I didnt have as much headwind as I would have liked to have coming straight in, my first attempt today had me still floating as I approached the port-a-john and I aborted and went around.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.carolinaflyin.com/stuff/searey-nbi-landing-downhill.wmv">http://www.carolinaflyin.com/stuff/searey-nbi-landing-downhi<br>ll.wmv</a><br /><br />
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Jack Vandeventer - Dec 31,2007
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Hello Tony,<br />Tell me about your camera and how you get these xxx.wmv files into the web site? I do not have a camera and want to get one. What camera would you get given cost considerations? I like your info and landings too.<br />Regards, Jack Vandeventer (317-370-7410 cell or jack@masterinstruction.com)
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Tony Gugliuzza - Dec 31,2007
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Jack,<br /><br />For some I use a Sony MiniDV camcorder - it gets the best quality but is the most work to to get to the computer.<br />Mostly I just use the video ability of my digital still camera. Right now I have a cheap Kodak ZD710 I got at walmart for 150 bucks. <br /><a href="http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7812581">http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7812581</a><br /><br />It has mixed reviews and I almost returned it before trying it, but I ended up being happy with it for the price.<br />I takes OK photos and pretty decent videos, except for one thing that I absolutely hate:<br />It takes the videos in Quicktime format (many other cameras make .avi format instead)<br />I dont have a program that allows me to edit Quicktime, so I use a program called River Past Video Cleaner to convert them to .WMV or .AVI.<br />Then for simple editing and transitions you can use Windows Movie Maker (it comes free with windows XP) to edit it, add music or voiceovers, and convert to a bitstreaming .wmv file. I have used windows movie maker and it does the job, although now I use a program called Pinnacle Studio 9.<br /><br />As far as uploading them, I suppose it would be easiest to upload them here, to this site in the 'files' section.<br />I put them on my own webspace that I have available (I run a little website) and just link to them. I don't know why I do it this way, other than that it leaves the video available for me to show to people that are not on this site.<br /><br />Back to the cameras, its hard for me to reccomend one, I don't know a whole lot about them and there are so many choices on the market, but ,most of them do fairly decent double duty for short videos. You usually can't zoom in or out WHILE you are recording, and other video camera features are missing.<br />If video is your main thing then I suggest getting an actual video camera. I find I rarely break out the video camera but I always have my digital still camera with me, so it ends up taking most of my short videos.
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