Splash and Dash Searey Seaplane Delights                            Apr 25 1:30 Guest User - Request Membership Layout | Log In | Help | Videos | Site | Emails  Search:   Front Page Calendar Photos Add Photos News Add News File Cabinet Add File Cabinet History Add History * Searey Info * Add * Searey Info * Polls Add Polls Classifieds Add Classifieds Utilities Create a New Site  News View All News | Add News | Emoticons | Mark Unread Search News:      Category: Safety/Survival, Icon A5 Seaplane Previous Item - Gone West: Dale Hadley This will go to the previous thread in this topic.       Favorite option: If you want this item to be marked as a favorite, click on the black heart.   Second Icon Fatal         Next Item - Sebring LSA Expo Jan 24th - 27th This will go to the next thread in this topic.    Helen Woods - Nov 07,2017   Viewers  | Reply     http://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/news/a28944/roy-halladay-killed-icon-a5-amphibious-aircraft-crashes/?src=social-email Any details? Helen          Ted Krensavage - Nov 07,2017   Viewers  | Reply     Tampa times icon crash Ted Krensavage          Don Maxwell - Nov 08,2017   Viewers  | Reply     (There's still) Better coverage on STS: http://searey.us/sts/?News&p=7FdKUaxWZ&title=Fatal-icon-crash-off-Tampa       Attachments:   Halladay crash on STS          Ken Leonard - Nov 08,2017   Viewers  | Reply     Don - I think you posted a link to a public site from our private site.          Don Maxwell - Nov 08,2017   Viewers  | Reply     I did, Ken, but it should work only for STS members. Others should see the goclub.com sign-up page. (I think.)          Donald White - Nov 08,2017   Viewers  | Reply     Don and Ken, that is true Even if you have the STS link, you still need to login to view any content.          Steve Kessinger - Nov 08,2017   Viewers  | Reply     Pre and post-mishap video. Very rough to watch. Godspeed.       Attachments:   Halladay Icon mishap video          Daniel Hayden - Nov 08,2017   Viewers  | Reply     WTH? in 4-6 ft of water...jump in the fricking water and see if you can help!! I can't belief that many people there and nobody even gets in the water? I couldn't live with myself thinking what if... The video really frustrates me. Maybe I expect too much from people but I would really appreciate some effort if my life is in danger. Even if he was gone on impact, the caring and effort would be nice for the family to see rather than this idiotic narrative... I'm at a loss. Is it just me? Wouldn't most people think about helping rather than filming? Sorry for the rant but geez!!!          Steve Kessinger - Nov 09,2017   Viewers  | Reply     You're looking at the bottom of the wing, pointing backwards toward the tail, which is twisted upside down. Note the upside down lettering on the vertical part which is not on the engine cowl but is on the pylon, the flap on the right side of the image, and the paint scheme shows the red leading edge of the wing is on the left, now pointing toward the tail. Cockpit would have been on the upper left but is missing. In retrospect, I'll bet the first guys on the scene saw something pretty bad and that's why they didn't go in the water. They knew there was no point. Godspeed. Pop quiz: know what this is?       Attachments:   Icon mishap Icon mishap         Attachments:   whatisthis          Ken Leonard - Nov 09,2017   Viewers  | Reply     Clearly aircraft crash. Mil uniforms suggest 1980s. Perhaps Dallas L1011?          Steve Kessinger - Nov 11,2017   Viewers  | Reply     It's the cockpit of the United 232 Sioux City mishap after having a DC-10 jackahmmer on it. There are 4 people alive in there. Fast forward to 46:00 in this video to hear Capt. Al Haynes talk about it.       Attachments:   Capt Al Haynes talks about UAL 232          Daniel Hayden - Nov 12,2017   Viewers  | Reply     I was in the military at the time and one of our ER physicians happened to be waiting at that airport to fly back to Ft Rucker, AL. He immediately went out to the scene and was quickly overwhelmed. He said it was so eerie watching survivors walk out of the cornfield. Everyone was amazed there were any survivors after seeing the crash and the wreckage. Amazing CRM.          Steve Kessinger - Nov 09,2017   Viewers  | Reply     Close. Very close.          Don Maxwell - Nov 09,2017   Viewers  | Reply     Italian restaurant after a hurricane?          David Mazer - Nov 09,2017   Viewers  | Reply     So, everyone in the reporting is making a big deal of the low altitude over open water. Am I the only one who routinely practices low flight over open water (with great care for wind and glassy water to be sure I can land if the engine quits). I mean, I know I'm not from prior posts here on STS.          Wayne Nagy - Nov 09,2017   Viewers  | Reply     You are not alone, David , but because of this high profile accident, you will be drawing MORE attention from Mr. Citizen when you do it. At least in the short term...          Carr, Frank  - Nov 13,2017   Viewers  | Reply     As we all know from prior aircraft accidents, eye "witnesses" may not be very reliable or even useful. Also, has any one else ever done repetitive touch and go's on the water for practice (As DM suggests above)? Or taken the sage advice posted here and elsewhere to practice an engine out landing on water just in case you ever have a real engine out problem? Did all the eye witnesses even know the subject airplane was an amphibian which, by the way, is an airplane that is designed to land and operate on water? Cell phone videos are probably better than accounts from unknowledgeable witnesses, but even they have limitations. I have no info on the recent ICON crash and feel sorry for the victim and his family. I just plan to await some factual evidence and conclusions from those with the data and knowledge.. God Speed (Thanks Steve K.)          Nickens, Dan - Nov 13,2017   Viewers  | Reply     Though this discussion reveals that we apparently have a surprising number of TV analysts within our group, it conflicts with the SnD guidelines (see link). The guidelines were intended to avoid discussions that might make it more difficult for the SeaRey drivers whose family members also participate here. Even though this was not a SeaRey accident, it may make some of our non-family fliers less excited about what we do. It's an important discussion and completely appropriate for the SeaRey Technical Site. (That's a hint.)       Attachments:   Splash and Dash Site Guidelines          Don Maxwell - Nov 21,2017   Viewers  | Reply     Please see Dan's comment (above) about the Splash and Dash site guidelines. A link to the NTSB preliminary report AND DISCUSSION is on STS: http://searey.us/sts/?NEWS&p=7FdKUaxWZ If you're not an STS member, you can find the report on the NTSB's website: https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID=20171107X60614&AKey=1&RType=Prelim&IType=FA . But please use STS for serious discussion about it.       Attachments:   NTSB          Steve Kessinger - Nov 21,2017   Viewers  | Reply     https://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/NTSB-Issues-Preliminary-Report-on-Halliday-Crash-229948-1.html The last data point captured by the flight data recorder on Roy Halliday’s Icon A5 before his fatal crash shows the light sport at 200 feet above the water with a speed of 87 knots, says the NTSB. The preliminary report says a witness told investigators that “he saw the airplane perform a climb to between 300 and 500 feet on a southerly heading and then turn and descend on an easterly heading about a 45° nose-down attitude. He then saw the airplane impact the water and nose over.” The NTSB did not say how often the A5’s black box samples speed and altitude data, so it’s unclear from the report how much time may have elapsed between the last data point and impact with the water. As a light sport aircraft, the A5 is required to have a stall speed no higher than 45 knots. Roy Halliday had been flying as low as 11 feet above ground level and as close as 75 feet to homes in his new Icon A5 before the fatal accident on November 7, says the NTSB report. The 11-foot pass recorded by the A5’s flight data recorder shows Halliday traveling at 92 knots—cruising speed for Rotax-powered the amphibian. The NTSB reports that the safety pin on the airframe parachute was still installed in the activation handle at the time of the crash. Icon checklists call for the pin to be removed prior to flight. Halliday’s logbook included 703.9 hours of total flight experience, including 51.8 hours in the Icon A5, according to the NTSB.          Daniel Myers - Nov 21,2017   Viewers  | Reply     Good info. It would be nice if they spelled his name right, though...          Steve Kessinger - Jan 20,2018   Viewers  | Reply     http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/Autopsy-drugs-found-in-MLB-star-Roy-Halladay-s-system-after-plane-crash_164667681 Autopsy: drugs found in MLB star Roy Halladay’s system after plane crash Published: January 19, 2018 Updated: January 19, 2018 at 08:25 PM When former Major League Baseball pitcher Roy Halladay died in a plane crash in November, he had amphetamines, morphine and the sleep aid zolpidem in his system, according to an autopsy report. Halladay, 40, died from blunt force trauma with drowning as a contributing factor, according to the Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner’s Office. The retired All-Star was flying his personal plane when authorities said it crashed into the waters off New Port Richey on Nov. 7. The National Transportation Safety Board is now investigating. But it was the drugs found in the pitcher’s system that concerned Dr. Bruce Goldberger, a pathologist and director of the University of Florida Health Forensic Medicine center. "The drugs are particularly important in the assessment of the impairment of Mr. Halladay while operating the plane," Goldberger said. "The NTSB will take this evidence under consideration during their investigation of this accident." The presence of those drugs alone does not mean the pilot was impaired, however. That determination has to be made by the federal agency, which has yet to release a final report. "At this point you can’t assess impairment solely based on the drug concentrations," Goldberger said. "You have to wait for the NTSB to weigh in on their investigation. They’ll likely be able to assess the role of the drugs in the accident." Amphetamines are a stimulant used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, morphine is an opiate and zolpidem, a sedative used as a sleep aid that is marketed as Ambien. The report does not say if Halladay had prescriptions for any of those medications. Bill Pellan, director of investigations for the medical examiner’s office, said the NTSB has already conducted its own test of Halladay’s blood. "Their results are very similar to ours," Pellan said. "That’s routine on any aircraft accident or fatality." Federal investigators will consider all factors that contributed to the crash, Pellan said, such as the condition of the aircraft itself. Halladay was an avid flyer who owned an ICON A5 — an amphibious two-seat plane with foldable wings. The NTSB’s preliminary report on the crash said the pilot flew very close to homes and the surface of the Gulf of Mexico shortly before striking the water. His body was found in about six feet of water. INVESTIGATION: NTSB report details steep turns and dives preceding Roy Halladay’s fatal crash Video from around the time of the incident shows the plane flying a couple of hundred feet in the air before dropping toward the water. Halladay, a father of two, was an All-Star with the Toronto Blue Jays and Philadelphia Phillies. He had retired to the Tampa Bay region, lived in Odessa and helped coach the baseball team at Calvary Christian High School, where his oldest son played. He left behind his wife, Brandy, and two sons, Braden and Ryan. Halladay was among the top baseball players of his generation, twice winning the Cy Young Award given to the MLB’s best pitchers each year.          Carr, Frank  - Jan 21,2018   Viewers  | Reply     Certainly adds another Non-Icon factor to consider. Being a non-medical type, I wonder how the NTSB, or any medical facility, measures the affects of meds on the ability of a unique human being to perform piloting duties? Maybe we'll learn?          Ken Leonard - Jan 22,2018   Viewers  | Reply     Agree Frank. Although when mixing amphetamine, morphine and prescription sleep drugs with piloting, it seems easy to call a foul at any dose.

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